BUCK: We have our friend Kat Timpf with us now from Fox News. You all know Kat from her Fox Nation show — Sincerely, Kat — and she’s also a frequent guest panelist on the Gutfeld smash hit late-night TV show over at Fox. Kat, great to have you.

TIMPF: Hey, great to be here.

BUCK: So are you noticing that there is both an increase — ’cause you’re here in New York City with me, Clay’s out in Nashville so he’s all, “Oh, I have the freedom and the Constitution,” and I’m walking around here —

TIMPF: I know.

BUCK: — feeling as though I’m hearing, the Soviet national anthem playing from all the loudspeakers. But I’m starting to see people just be like, “You know what? I’m not.” I’m walking into places that require masks and people just aren’t wearing masks. Do you think that even New Yorkers are starting to have had enough of the madness?

TIMPF: You know what? I think everyone’s had enough of the madness. It just depends on whether or not they feel comfortable admitting that or if they’re worried about their social standing if their friends are liberal, because think about it. People are moving to Nashville, people are moving to Texas, people are moving to Florida. If people were really concerned that everyone who’s not wearing a mask is a murderer or whatever, people would be fleeing to New York and fleeing to Los Angeles because they would be so scared they were gonna die in Florida or Texas or Tennessee. We’re not really seeing that.

BUCK: You’ve actually seen, Kat, a new study that there’s a 38% decrease — year over year 2021 to 2020 — of people moving to California.

TIMPF: Right. If everybody really believed in the stuff and it was as widespread and popular as people thought, then that wouldn’t be the case. People would be too terrified to live in a place where people are normal and sane because they’d been so scared they’re gonna die. I’ve had it. I’ve really had it. I just… You think things will get better and they get worse. I still haven’t gone on the honeymoon yet. “Oh, we’re gonna go next week when things are open and go to a foreign country, and not worry,” and now it’s like we’ll go to Poughkeepsie or something. You can’t plan anything.

BUCK: No offense to our robust Poughkeepsie audience, by the way.

TIMPF: Not to offend you guys but I guess I’ll see you guys there.

CLAY: You watch her on Gutfeld pretty much every night. Kat, I saw you were at the Army-Navy game, and I can’t stop talking about this story because to me it just perfectly blows up the absurdity of left-wing politics. Are you paying attention to the biological man that is going to the University of Pennsylvania and is going to become the greatest women’s swimmer potentially of all time?

And we just have to pretend that this is normal because the transgender agenda is so incredibly powerful in the left wing that nobody will say, “Hey, I don’t know that a biological guy who swam for three years on the Penn’s men’s team is going to be able to now to become the greatest woman swimmer in all time?” It sounds like satire. I think in the early 2000s they made the might have Juwanna Man where this guy pretended that he was a woman and dominated the WNBA, and now it’s real life.

TIMPF: Yeah. Look, and I think the important thing that you brought up there was like the “nobody will say.” Because I’m pretty liberal on social issues overall, completely liberal, you know, on social issues really and truly. But when it comes to this specific story — and, Clay, I saw on OutKick you interviewed one of the students, one of the members on the swim steam. And what she said is, “We all kind of feel like this is not fair but nonsense can say that ’cause we all want to have a job someday.”

CLAY: Yeah.

TIMPF: But whenever we’re around this other swimmer we just say, “Oh, great job. We’re so proud of you! You’re so awesome,” but it’s all fake. So let’s say that you are an activist on the left for trans acceptance. There’s a huge difference between acceptance and fake acceptance. And, if anything, I think that these fake attitudes are people can’t say, “Hey, I don’t know about this,” or, “Hey, I have a question about this or even just saying, “Hey, this is a pretty complicated thing.

“It’s not as simple as if you say that you’re this that you can compete on these teams,” that could maybe even breed more resentment and make these things even worse. I think that these are… It’s obviously a super complicated issue. That’s something you should be able to say and talk about openly. And that goes with everything, right, it goes with when it comes to stuff with race or gender, anything.

The more that you make people afraid to talk… You want acceptance and you want understanding, that’s gonna come from talking. So I think it’s really the attitude and the way that they’re handling it and people not being able to speak I think it makes it worse for everybody no matter what side of the issue that you’re on — if you’re left, right, or somewhere in the middle.

BUCK: We’re speaking to Kat Timpf. You know her from Gutfeld at night where she’s a frequent panelist, an dalso, from Sincerely, Kat on Fox Nation over at Fox News Channel. Kat, is the Biden administration way worse than you thought it would be? How do you…? We were just talking about the Kamala, Biden Kremlinology of who’s actually gonna be running the next time around. What do you see going on right now?

TIMPF: Yeah. I mean, listen. It’s bad, right? And here’s the thing. I knew it was gonna be bad, but I remember being in New York — and, Buck, I’m sure you’ll remember this — when they announced Biden was the winner, the revelry in the street. Like, I saw people dancing in the streets. I had to come to work that day, actually, for something. I had to be at work.

And I remember coming here and there was dancing and I remember seeing there were these two guys who were wearing thongs and they were like snorting drugs off of a key and all of this. I’m like I live a mile from the office, right? I’m like all right. Well, these people are really excited. I don’t know if anything’s ever made me… I actually… No. I will say nothing has ever made me that excited where I’m gonna be half naked in thecold in the street dancing around, okay?

And so they all set the bar really high, right? How do they feel? I mean, if they’re paying any attention at all, I don’t think it’s that level of excitement or maybe the excitement just came from whatever drugs at least those two were snorting. But everyone else didn’t appear to be… They really thought, “Everything’s gonna be great now,” and, you know, obviously everything’s worse. (laughing)

CLAY: Kat, when I saw that… (laughing) This may be a sign much just how low my expectations are for New York City right now.

TIMPF: (laughing)

CLAY: But when I saw that the Fox Christmas tree got burned down, my first thought wasn’t like, “Oh, my God. I can’t believe this happened.” It was like, “I’m kind of surprised this hasn’t happened before.”

TIMPF: (laughing)

CLAY: “Of course they would burn down the Fox Christmas tree!” What was your first thought when you heard that the Fox Christmas tree in New York City got burned down?

TIMPF: Yeah, I hate to say it, but mine was kind of the same as yours. I’m kind of like, “Oh, yeah, of course.” It’s one of these things, you walk in and there’s little mini protests outside the building where it’s like seven people with signs.

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CLAY: By the way, it reminds me of The Succession line, Kat. Do you remember when there were like, “The fewer the protesters are the more awkward it is?”

TIMPF: Yeah.

CLAY: Because if there’s thousands of protesters… But when there’s like five and you make eye contact with them and you’re like, “Yeah, sorry, I gotta go.” It’s kind of funny, right, when you leave the Fox News studio and there’s like four people there protesting. It’s kinda awkward.

BUCK: You can bring them like a hot cocoa or something.

CLAY: Yeah, “How are you today?” You can talk to ’em, shake their hand individually but yeah. Sorry to cut you off, but it is funny the divide there.

TIMPF: Right. It’s like the group is so small but their signs are that we’re ruining the entire world and this and that. Honestly, we’re all human beings and I make mistakes. I can be a jerk sometimes. I don’t think I’m ruining the world. I think that… I can be hard on myself but I don’t think I’d ever go that hard on myself.

BUCK: Kat Timpf, everybody, check her out over at Fox Nation with Sincerely, Kat and look for her on Gutfeld on Fox News Monday through Friday. Kat, thanks so much. Great to have you.

TIMPF: Of course. Anytime.