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BUCK: As someone who lives in New York State and knows this place pretty well, it’s remarkable what’s happening here. You have the new governor, who for many, it seems, has already established — that, absent some weird grabbing, groping, and smooching behavior — could be as bad or worse than the old governor, Andrew Cuomo. Here she is when she’s giving a sermon (which, yeah, start with that) at a nondenominational church in upstate New York. Here she is telling everybody that the vaccines are coming from God.
HOCHUL: I’ve prayed a lot to God during this time, and you know what? God did answer our prayers! He made the smartest men and women — the scientists, the doctors, the researchers, he made them come up with a vaccine! That is from God to us. And we must say, “Thank you, God. Thank you.” All of you, yes, I know you’re vaccinated. You’re the smart ones. But you know there’s people out there who aren’t listening to God and what God wants.
You know this. You know who they are. I need you to be my apostles! I need you to go out and talk about and say, “We owe this to each other! We love each other.” Jesus taught us to love one another, and how do you show that love but to care about each other enough to say, “Please get vaccinated because I love you; I want you to live”?
CLAY: It’s super weird, and I don’t need to get into everybody’s own personal opinions of their savior or their religion or anything else. Let me just say this: Any god that I believe anyone should be worshiping wants you to use your brain and make smart, healthy decisions for you and your family, not to acquiesce meekly to what people in government tell you to do.
We need more wolves, less sheep here, right? So, to me, all of this… I mean, she’s got a “vaccinated” necklace, like gold necklace? Buck, this is really strange behavior. And leaving aside the religiosity of that sermon, basically, that she was giving, let’s just talk about the practical realities of which she is implementing, ’cause I think that’s where the rubber meets the road here and it becomes significant.
Thousands of people who are taking care of the sick are about to lose their jobs in New York hospitals over vaccine-related issues. Thousands of teachers who are helping to educate our young are about to lose their jobs over vaccine mandates. This is… Remember, Buck, 15 days to stop the spread was about ensuring that our hospitals were not overrun.
Her management now in firing of all of these different hospital employees, many of whom, Buck, likely have covid already and have certainly dealt with the dangers and the risks of covid on the front lines for 18 months now. They understand that what she is implementing is a disaster both in hospitals and in schools. She is arguably making as bad or worse decisions than Andrew Cuomo did, which I didn’t think was possible.
BUCK: The vaccine mandates are necessary — so necessary — for hospital capacity that they’re willing to destroy hospital capacity with the vaccine mandate.
CLAY: That’s right.
BUCK: This is the absurd world in which in which we find ourselves right now.
CLAY: It’s a Catch-22. It’s the Joseph Heller special.
BUCK: And here’s what the plan is. So everyone’s wondering, “How could they actually do this?” As Clay points out, you’re looking at thousands of teachers, administrators in the school system, people that work for the Department of Education of New York. But just for everyone, remind yourself of this.
How this goes in New York will be replicated in places like California, in Illinois, for sure in the blue states and they’re already going through different methods. There have been firings already of health care workers in other states ’cause the hospital system has said — mask firings, hundreds at a time.
CLAY: Crazy.
CLAY: For over a year.
BUCK: — especially the last six months or so but over a year, perhaps, they continue to get state benefits. But those who have tending to the sick, covid patients, in many cases, in hospitals, will be cut off from unemployment because they won’t get the shot. And they don’t even have, Clay, an exemption for natural immunity, of course, as we’ve discussed a hundred times.
And it’s just blind blowing they don’t. Also Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York — the high priestess of Fauciism we’re seeing, she’s like the bishop of Fauciism, or one of many — she’s saying that religious exemptions will not be tolerated, either, because all the religions have said they’re in on the vaccines, Clay. That’s where we are.
CLAY: Despite the fact that she was just citing what Jesus would want. Look. This is epic mismanagement of extraordinary magnitude. I’m curious what you think, ’cause we don’t know this woman that well. I think one of the major issues that has emerged, that goes across the board in terms of politics in covid, lots of politicians just aren’t that smart, right?
And even more so, they’re incapable of understanding nuance, and they rigorously apply whatever dogma talking points they are given, even if that is going to lead them directly to disaster. I don’t know how a person who is an executive in charge… Buck, just pretend. One of the things I always tell people, Buck.
Young people who listen to this show or young people who are in the process of trying to determine what they want to do with their lives: One of the best ways to prepare for making difficult decisions is to pretend that you’re in the chair right now and you have to look at all the data and make a logical decision. Because in business, at least, the people who get paid the most are the ones that have proven to have the best judgment over time, right?
They look at facts; they made the best decisions. Most management, that’s how you get promoted; that’s how you have success. I don’t know what’s going on here with the governor of New York because, Buck, if you and I were sitting there and he were advising her… Take politics out of the equation. I don’t care whether you’re a Democrat; I don’t care whether you’re Republican.
I don’t care whether you’re religious; I don’t care whether you’re an atheist. Whatever. Let’s just look at the facts here. If you and I were talking to the governor of New York right now we’d walk in and say, “Governor, you understand that you are going to have to put thousands of people from the National Guard into hospitals to keep them from collapsing and that you have no good options inside of schools if thousands of teachers elect not to be there? You’re gonna destroy simultaneously, the hospital system and the school system voluntarily ivory a vaccine mandate that is in no way making anybody safe.”
But I’m just telling you, they’re willing to make this tradeoff. They will fire these thousands of people because ultimately, this is a power play. Ultimately, this is setting a standard going forward as well. If they can make all these employees get the shot this time, they know they’re gonna be able to make all these employees get the shot next time.
The courts, by the way, because of previous decisions seem to be going along with this. There was a short-term stay in New York for Department of Education workers. That has since been now removed; so we’re back to you get the shot or else. You’re talking about, if we were in the captain’s chair, so to speak, what do we do?
Well, the governor of New York is saying, don’t worry about it. We’re gonna bring in National Guard health care assistance, essentially, and maybe even temporary health care workers — this is reported in the New York Times — from Ireland and the Philippines.
CLAY: Yeah.
BUCK: Instead of actually just dealing with the realities of natural immunity, checking for antibodies, respecting individual choice, they’d rather do that. And here she is saying that that’s… Clay, here’s her plan.
HOCHUL: We’ll be nation leading with our mandate which strikes at midnight tonight when everyone is expected — in a hospital in the state of New York or a health care facility — to have been vaccinated. I will be signing an executive order to give me the emergency powers necessary to address these shortages where they occur.
That’s going to allow me to deploy the National Guard who are medically trained, deploy people, uh, who’ve been retired and may have had a license lapse, bring in people from elsewhere. That is not my first position my friends. My — my — my desire is to have the people who have been out there continue to work in their jobs, work in them safely and to all the other health care workers who are vaccinated. They also deserve to know that the people they’re working with will not get them sick.
CLAY: This is madness.
BUCK: She’s creating a crisis and then seizing additional authority to address the crisis of her creation.
CLAY: Not only that, Buck, you know how this is gonna play out, right? Inevitably, there are gonna be shortages in the hospitals, which will be maniacally covered in terms of staffing by the media, and do you know who’s going to be blamed for those shortages?
BUCK: Of course, the unvaccinated.
CLAY: Unvaccinated people. It’s such a circular world, Buck, they’re going to blame the unvaccinated for overloading the hospitals, because they forced the unvaccinated — many of whom have natural immunity — to no longer be able to work in the hospitals.
BUCK: It’s almost like there’s a pattern. When the surge happened after lockdowns and mask mandates, we didn’t mask enough. When surges are happening after vaccination and now vaccination mask mandates, we didn’t vaccinate enough. It’s like they’ve got a fever and the only prescription is more Fauciism. That’s what we’re actually facing right now.
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