Dem Pollster Mark Penn’s Dire Warning for His Party

BUCK: We’re gonna dive into the latest on immigration, Title 42, getting removed or not, maybe. Got a judge who has said, “No, no, no. Not so fast,” and, ironically, this could actually benefit the Democrats and, honestly, the country against the Democrats’ protests and all the… We’ll get into that, though, and the politics around it, the realities of what’s going on at our southern border and of course some of the problems that we are already seeing that are happening because we don’t have an administration that believes in the rule of law when it comes to immigration.

But first there is — I think you’re noticing — a very real panic. Clay, they’re not quite at the just, “Run for the exits! Get to the bunker!” But the Democrats are definitely feeling right now like, “Uhhh, it’s almost May. May’s gonna turn into June real fast. Not a lot happens in politics over the summer,” and they’re looking at the reckoning.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: We just call it #TheReckoning in politics this fall that we are telling you — and, by the way, we are pedal-to-the-metal. We are pushing all the way. A win that any Democrat on air at MSNBC isn’t basically in tears over is not good enough.

CLAY: (laughing)

BUCK: That’s the… If there aren’t lib tears on MSNBC, we will not be happy with the results. Here is a Democratic pollster — a very smart fellow, Mr. Mark Penn — saying that Democrats haven’t been scared like this in a long time.

BUCK: “Voters haven’t been this afraid in a long time.” You add all those big issues together, Clay, there’s nothing… What is the big…? I will just note: What is the big move that Biden could do without, in the eyes of his base, betraying them? There’s nothing. He’s not gonna do anything.

CLAY: That’s the only thing I think, ’cause the Elizabeth Warrens of the world may get their way where the Democrats recognize that they’re staring down an oncoming train and that there’s no way to step out of the way of it, and so they just decide to push through even more liberal, left-wing bills because they know they’re not gonna be able to do it for the next two years.

BUCK: I think that’s what we’re seeing. We’re gonna dive into the border situation and illegal immigration here in a minute — and we’ve kept our promise to you, folks. We are watching this closely, and every time we can tell you what’s going on there — ’cause the whole country needs to know about it. You just filed your taxes. You better or else, right, ’cause the rule of law…

Uh, there is no rule of law at our southern border. It’s a joke, it’s a mess, and the Biden administration isn’t just complicit. They’re pushing this. They’re making it impossible for Border Patrol to do their jobs and for us to actually have sovereignty. But, Clay, I think that maybe the whole Title 42 thing in the sense — this may be getting ahead of where we’re about to go – is they figure out, “You know what? Just open the gates.

“We’re gonna get crushed in the midterms anyway. Open the floodgates. We’ll turn them into Democrat voters in five years or 10 years or whatever. The far-left base will be happy. We’ll regroup after the midterms; then there might be some sanity. But for right now, let everybody in who can get here” is the idea because Democrats really do want an open border.

CLAY: That’s my concern, basically, is that they just go pedal-to-the-metal, recognizing that they’re gonna lose the House and that they’re gonna lose the Senate. Now, it’s important to mention — and we’ll talk about this with Title 42 when we come back — that there are a lot of Democrats, pretty much all of them in toss-up states — Arizona, New Hampshire, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico even which is maybe kind of floating around out there.

There are a bunch of Democrats that are saying, “No, no, no, no,” to this Title 42 idea, and it makes me wonder how far left-wing might they go, because they basically given up on the chance of having any real success in the midterms and why not try and get things passed, in the meantime. I could see the Elizabeth Warrens of the world winning that argument.

BUCK: I think they’ve boxed themselves into a corner because anything that would stop the flow? Some of those things are what Trump was doing. You can’t do that, right, Clay?

CLAY: No.

BUCK: You can’t admit Trump was right on any aspect of the border? So what are they going to do? I think they’re gonna try to hide the numbers or hide the people rather who are coming in.