CLAY: From Johns Hopkins University, Marty Makary, doctor — adviser, I believe, to Glenn Youngkin in Virginia. Dr. Makary, you’ve got a great piece up online in the Wall Street Journal editorial page. I think it will be in the newspaper tomorrow, if I’m not mistaken, ’cause I didn’t see it today when I was reading. But I want to start with this question for you, Doctor. When you see New York City making 2-year-olds to 5-year-olds wear masks — the only people right now in all of New York City that are required to wear masks — your reaction as a doctor is what?

DR. MAKARY: Well, good to be with you guys. My reaction is that it’s the demonstration of a power imbalance. This is an abuse of power — and, by the way, New York is not only ignoring the data that cloth masks do nothing in young folks. By the way, we still don’t know from the CDC if any healthy child has ever died of covid. The CDC can’t tell us.

We think that number is around zero. What are we doing to these kids? Look at the report that just came out last week? One-in-four girls have contemplated suicide last year in America. One-in-10 teenagers say that they’ve been physically abused at home. We’re learning about the cognitive delays. And these were the things we were worried about, that we were talking about at the time and the data is now catching up.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, in your Wall Street Journal piece here, it says — and it’s up at ClayAndBuck.com — “[N]either the CDC nor the National Institutes of Health has made a priority of studying vaccine complications. The CDC isn’t even transparent about its investigations into young people who have died after covid vaccination. A Seattle Children’s Hospital study published in the Journal of Pediatrics March 25 found that 69% of children who presented with myocarditis after the vaccine had late gadolinium enhancement, a related abnormality, in an MRI three to eight months later.”

I mean, that sounds really troubling. I can’t pretend to know exactly what any of that means. What’s going on with that? I mean, it seems like we’re still not getting any real honesty about complications and risks from vaccines as we’re going to shot four and soon shot five.

DR. MAKARY: They don’t want to know what the complications are. That’s obvious. They don’t have a single grant — they don’t have a single research study — looking into this stuff. I mean, the head of the Mayo Clinic vaccine research group was driving home after a second dose and got this debilitating ringing in the ears, which he’s still suffering from, and he’s now calling for more research for vaccine-related complications.

WHO just launched a big study on hearing loss after the vaccines. CDC doesn’t want to know. They have never even told us what happened to Simone Scott and Jacob Clynick and so many other kids that have either died or been disabled immediately after the second dose. Now, look. Older people have health problems all the time, and sometimes it’s hard to correlate.

But when somebody develops a complication — a young, healthy person immediately — after the second dose, hours, that is causal until proven otherwise. They don’t want to hear it. They aren’t looking into it, and they’re really abdicating their responsibility to inform the public about this stuff.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, I’ve got three kids. None of them are getting the covid shot. I think they’ve probably had covid ’cause both my wife and I have had it. If you had young children — if you had 5-year-old, if you had a 7-year-old, you had a 3-year-old, I know that young kids are not yet required or able, I should say, as opposed to required, able to get the covid shot — would you be getting your first grader, your second grader a covid shot as a parent, not even just as a doctor?

DR. MAKARY: Only if they were immunosuppressed or had a comorbidity. Otherwise, if there was an active… You know, if this was a year ago, I might have given them one shot. But look. The data now are pretty clear. We don’t know if any healthy child has ever died of covid in the United States; the CDC can’t tell us. Look at this study last week that Buck just referred to.

Three to eight months after the covid vaccine induced myocarditis, these kids still had MRI abnormalities of a swollen heart? We don’t know what that swelling does long term, because anytime you have inflammation of the heart you get scar tissue that results. What does that scar tissue do to the conduction of the heart? Is it associated with sudden death? We’ve seen EKG changes in that study of kids that come in with myocarditis — and it’s not rare. It’s one in 1800 young males. What are we doing to these kids?

BUCK: We’re speaking to Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins University Medical Center. Doctor, I saw this. Clay and I have been going back and forth on this. We had Alex Berenson on last week to talk a bit about the data. This from NBC News. So not from RightWingAntiVax.com or something. This is NBC News: “The prevalence of covid-19 in the U.K. has reached record levels, with about 1 in 13 people estimated to be infected with the virus in the past week, according to the latest figures from Britain’s official statistics agency.

“Some 4.9 million people were estimated to have the coronavirus in the week ending March 26…” This is, they say, “driven by the more transmissible omicron variant BA.2, which is the dominant variant across the U.K.” Dr. Makary, what’s going on here? And do you think this is gonna hit the U.S., and is the medical community gonna stopped again with lockdowns, lunacy, and all kinds of overreach?

DR. MAKARY: Well, some parts of the country will, and most of the country is basically saying, “Enough is enough. We’ve been lied to for two years, and at this point, we’re just not gonna listen to you,” and that’s tragic. I think we are gonna see a tiny bump in cases, but it’s like a bump in the common cold that comes every season. And this is a more contagious strain.

So you’re more likely to pick it up when you do this mass testing — you know, everyone has to get tested every week. That’s gonna pick up a lot of these cases, and these are mild or asymptomatic. New York is already freaked out, by the way. They want their kids to stick with the masks. So you’re gonna see this happen now. The battle is not over.

In the fall, I can guarantee if we’re doing as much testing as we’re doing now, we’re gonna see an increase in cases. Our hospitals continue to be empty of people sick with covid. I mean, hospitals across the country — I talk to doctors all the time — virtually empty of patients coming in sick with covid. Instead, we have a lot of incidental positives.

If you test everyone in America for meningococcus, 10% will come back positive. That is, they’ll have evidence of it in their nose. It doesn’t mean they’re sick. It’s just chronically there and we’ve gotta learn to distinguish being sick from covid versus just having it incidentally.

CLAY: Dr. Makary, based on all the data that you see — and you’ve been doing a malice job on this. For our audience out there that isn’t following you on Twitter and hasn’t been reading your articles, I think they’re missing out. So I’d encourage them to follow you and pay attention to what you’ve been putting out there. But based on the data you see, should there be any covid restrictions at all anywhere in the United States at this point in time?

DR. MAKARY: Well, first of all, thanks, Clay, I’m trying my best. It’s tough —

CLAY: You’ve done a fabulous job. You really have.

DR. MAKARY: Thanks. It’s tough competing with Dr. Fauci.

CLAY: (laughing)

DR. MAKARY: By the way, now it just came out that he’s acknowledged natural immunity from flu but not from covid now, incidentally.

CLAY: Yes.

DR. MAKARY: I think we should live our lives. I mean, we have… What influenza? Oh, you know, we don’t care at all about influenza? There’s a lot of these respiratory pathogens and we’ve gotta live our lives. There’s a group of forever maskers that’s emerging, and I think we gotta live our lives. This idea that you gotta boost yourself every three months for the rest of your life? We call it the infinity booster. I mean, if it were up to Pfizer maybe you should get a vaccine every Monday morning. It would make the shareholders happy.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, are you hearing from other medical personnel out there, other doctors, scientists, et cetera, that they realize now more than ever that the plan really does…? The Fauciite plan is, shots every three to four months for everybody forever?

DR. MAKARY: All kinds of doctors with coming out. They used to give us, you know, secret praise, a bunch of us doctors speaking out, they would reach out and say, you know, “I can’t say anything at my hospital, I’ll get in trouble or my communications office is on my back or I gotta get promoted or I get funding from NIH or I’m applying to the NIH. I can’t say anything. But you keep going.”

Well, now they’re coming out. Now they’re saying look, we sunk a hundred million people worldwide into poverty. We just destroyed a generation of young children in terms of their development, and we’ve got all this non-covid excess mortality that we’re starting to unpack. They’re starting to come out. You’re seeing it now with the booster issue. You know, the FDA bypassed their experts to authorize the fourth dose.

They also gave Pfizer more than what they asked for. Pfizer applied for the fourth dose in people over 65; the FDA gave it to them for people over 50. I mean, when does the FDA give you more than you apply for? And very funny is going on, and I think a lot of doctors are seeing how pharma basically has a hammer lock on American medicine — on the journals, on the institutions — and the White House and Big Pharma think that the FDA belongs to them. But it doesn’t.

BUCK: Dr. Makary, thanks so much.

CLAY: Fabulous stuff.

BUCK: We really appreciate it as always. Please come back. We’ll be talking to you more about this one, hopefully next time at least the masks will be off the toddlers here in New York City, but I’m not gonna hold my breath. Thanks, Doc.

DR. MAKARY: Thanks.