CLAY: Buck, come clean: Have you been paying attention to the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard case, which is on television it feels like everywhere right now? Johnny Depp’s been on stand two straight days.

BUCK: I cannot tell a lie.

CLAY: It’s kind of captivating.

BUCK: Well, it’s been on Fox for hours and hours, so I do catch bits and pieces of it here and there. I am reminded of what I was told by a guy who had been married three times that is quite a bit older than me. He told me once, he said, “The fastest way to ruin your life is to get like a terrible disease. The second fastest way to ruin your life is to marry somebody who wants to ruin your life.” (laughs) So, it’s unfortunate, you see this going on. This trial, man, it is rough. Johnny Depp is like one of the biggest movie stars on the planet.

CLAY: Ever!

BUCK: This woman almost chopped his finger off, according to testimony. This was his wife!

CLAY: Yeah. And it brings to mind a couple things. First of all, we were talking about this off air. I think it’s very likely… People say, “Why is this lawsuit happening?” I think it’s very likely that Johnny Depp has been cost over a hundred million dollars by these allegations.

He lost his job as the villain in the new Harry Potter that, you know, if you got kids or grandkids you may be watching it, he lost his role as Grindelwald, the villain there. And they’re not allowing him to appear in any Pirate of the Caribbeans anymore, which is his franchise.

BUCK: That’s right up there with almost the Avengers I think in terms of overall box office receipt.

CLAY: That’s right.

BUCK: Not quite Avengers level, but it’s pretty close in terms of huge sums of money.

CLAY: And he is the captain there.

BUCK: Captain Jack Sparrow. We all know Captain Jack Sparrow. You know how he came up with the character, right?

CLAY: Modeled himself on Mick Jagger, right?

BUCK: Keith Richards. Keith Richards.

CLAY: Keith Richards. That movie I would argue — maybe a little bit of an aggressive argument here. The first Pirates of the Caribbean is almost as good of a live-action movie as can be made in the modern era in that if you’re 8 years old you enjoy that, and if you’re 80 years old you enjoy that. It is almost perfectly made, I think.

BUCK: First Pirates of the Caribbean movie was very good.

CLAY: Yes.

BUCK: It’s along the lines of the some of your classic favorites and mine, too, like the original Back to the Future, Goonies, the original Ghostbusters, the original Goonies. It’s that level of sort of family fun, which is obviously why it became such a megafranchise.