CLAY: Oh, man. Joe Biden doesn’t do interviews anywhere anymore, because he can barely speak. He traveled all the way across the country. You may have seen footage of him slipping and nearly falling as he walked up to board Air Force One. And, by the way, if we had a president that tripped and fell all the time and was competent in his administration, then it wouldn’t be a story line. But it feels every time like Biden falls climbing the staircase of Air Force One, just a little more of a metaphor for how out of touch he is on everything.
And I watched some of the clips of the interview last night. He flew all the way to L.A. — a city that is overwhelmingly rejecting the Biden administration in a state, California, where Joe Biden, is so unpopular, that he even has a negative approval rating in California — to do the Jimmy Kimmel show. And he said all sorts of stuff that didn’t make sense. At one point, Jimmy had to go to break, because Biden was kind of stumbling around and looked lost. But the moment to me that crystallized how much of an incompetent sideshow the Biden administration is this.
As he was introduced to come out for the guest segment, they revealed and opened the curtains, and Biden — standing by himself backstage, Buck — had a mask on that he took off, and then walked and shook Jimmy Kimmel’s hand and then proceeded to sit beside him for over 20 minutes in close contact. It’s such a ridiculous charade. Anybody wearing a mask at this point, I get angry.
BUCK: Me too.
CLAY: People say, “Why do you care?” Yeah. You saw this clip, right? I popped it up on Twitter this morning, and it just makes me angry to see it, because it’s such a clear lie and sideshow and just virtue signaling BS to people who are stupid.
BUCK: What happened to all the people that were putting up five or six Ukraine flags? Just to be clear, on your Twitter or Facebook, one Ukraine flag, maybe you’re still a Russian spy.
CLAY: (laughing)
BUCK: Six Ukraine flags, and a double mask, of course. You’ve got a double mask with your six Ukraine flags. And then put your preferred pronouns in the bio as well — Facebook, in your email signature for your company — then I know that you’re not doing Putin’s bidding and you’re not a bigot, et cetera, et cetera. Clay, there’s no defense for this now, and this is why I think the rational… You often say, part of what was your —
CLAY: Evolution.
BUCK: Thank you. That’s what I was thinking. It was sane versus insane. That’s not an exaggeration at all. That is actually what we’ve… We’ve seen a split. We’re not sitting around talking about, “Hey, guys, should we side more with the state level with unions to make sure that folks working hard get a fair wage?” That might have been more of the Democratic Party of 20 years ago. Now we’re sitting around, we’re all saying, “Yeah, what Biden did last night with his masks, they don’t think that’s absurd.” And, in fact, they get angry at you, when you say it’s absurd. And I’ll say this about the masking issue, because you know how strongly I feel about this. I always felt that was the gateway drug to all the covid madness.
The moment you got everybody to mask, the moment everybody was complying with this, and there was never… Never once did I read a study. Never once did I actually see a controlled experiment, or with a control group, where they show how this stuff works. I remember thinking at every stage, “This is just going to be the fallback.” But I’m angry about it, Clay, because they’re not done with it. This is what people have to understand: They just don’t have the political momentum, political power to make everybody do it again. I have said this many times: They’re going to bring this back. You’ve said it many times, the same thing, about the covid stuff. In New York and California, and other places, it’s summertime, folks. Covid is at its low, naturally.
CLAY: As has been the case in 2020, 2021, 2022. We now have pretty good data on that.
BUCK: But masking as a form of social and political conditioning is something that Democrats are addicted to now. It is, “You do this to show allegiance.” Joe Biden, he’s wearing a mask babbling stage. Why?
CLAY: By himself!
BUCK: What is he doing — and then he takes it off! If he left it on during the interview, I would say, this guy has an anxiety disorder. Leaving it on until you sit down for the interview is you have an IQ in the low double digits somewhere.
CLAY: I think he intentionally has a mask on backstage, so that when they pulled the curtains and announced him, everyone could see his virtue signal of, “I’m taking the mask off to walk up to do the interview,” even though it’s totally illogical.
BUCK: Did you see…? I meant to bring this up with you yesterday or the day before. Did you do this? The Stacey Abrams photo, where she’s taking a photo with a kid. I don’t know. Ten, 12 years old. I’m guessing.
CLAY: Yeah.
BUCK: I’m guessing these ages, but let’s say it’s a 10-year-old kid. And she goes, “Oh, can you take the mask off for the photo? I’ve gotten in trouble for taking photos of masked kids.” But, yeah, because you are. And I don’t say this in a… It’s just objective fact. She’s an obese adult, and therefore, at which greater risk for the covid case — 100 times greater risk — than this child. The child is masked, she is not. And she just doesn’t want the photo to show how stupid the whole process is.
CLAY: Well, and remember when DeSantis got hammered, even though I think this was also intentional by him, because he’s pretty smart. When he walked up at South Florida. Do you remember when he had the kids behind him, and all the kids had masks on. He was like, “Hey, you guys can take those masks off if you want to. You don’t have to wear them for purposes of the…” They were just a backdrop, basically, for him standing at the rostrum and speaking. And people were like, “How dare he suggests that these people can take their masks off!” Remember that?
BUCK: Yeah, of course. I’m also angry about every doctor and every medical practice in New York and every hospital, et cetera. They make you still mask up.
CLAY: Oh, I know.
BUCK: As a visitor, as a patient, whatever, which is more on it. They should be ashamed.
CLAY: I had to do that here. I took my kids recently for checkups in Nashville, and to go into the Vanderbilt University children’s clinic or whatever it was, I had to put a mask on.
BUCK: And if we knew people who were in a cult… Do you ever watch Parks and Rec, Clay? Do you ever watch that show, Parks and Rec?
CLAY: Oh, yeah. Great show. Great show.
BUCK: There was a cult that called themselves the reasonablists. Remember this? It was one episode.
CLAY: Yeah.
BUCK: But every year, they say the world is going to end, it never does. But they call themselves the reasonablists, and so it’s really hard to criticize them because, “Well, they must be reasonable,” right? But if we knew people who were in a cult, and they were worried that tomorrow will be the last day of existence every day, and we’ve gone through two — let’s say two — years of this. Wouldn’t it be ethical, wouldn’t it be the kind thing to do to look at them and instead of saying, “You know what? You’re right. Maybe the world tomorrow will end,” to say, “Stop it. The world’s actually not going to end.” That’s how I feel about people walking around with masks on. I want to free them from their neuroses. Now, for some people it’s a political allegiance thing. And they’re on their own. But for people who truly believe, this is making them safer, I want to free their mouths.
CLAY: Yes. By the way, and the other thing I would say, is people ask, “Why do you care?” Because those people aren’t content with only them wearing it.
BUCK: Exactly.
CLAY: They all want you to wear a mask too, and given the opportunity, they will do it. Now, I’m curious, that the polling is so bad, for Joe Biden right now and for Democrats in general that I don’t know that they can try to bring masks back in earnest in November, before the midterms. But I think once the voting is all in for the midterms — and it’s well into fall by the mid-November and what not — that there’s going to be a big push from the Biden White House, for masks to be brought back from all over the country. We know cases are going to go up. You know, on just what they will try to delay, I think they will delay on a federal level, any covid authoritarianism. They don’t want people to be reminded, not only of how heavy-handed they were, but how ineffective it is.
BUCK: I will say this: One thing that I’m trying to process more every day here, is the people who were the most skeptical and critical of vaccine mandates, mask mandates, all of it, are more correct than ever now.
CLAY: Yes.
BUCK: And yet, based on the data and the reality and what we’ve seen, conservative media in general has just stopped talking about it entirely. And people can say, “Oh, we’ve moved past it.” One, no, we haven’t, because they’re not done. If you’re a reasonable and rational person — if you’re a reasonablist, if you’re a reasonable person — you must think, “Come on, everybody.” They’re not reasonable, right? But beyond that, it’s also important for accountability, and that goes into our election come up here.
Who was right? When Biden was saying last summer that it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated. He goes on Kimmel last night with a mask on, just to take it off, right? Last summer, the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Last summer, you should get fired from your job! Military service members should lose their careers. First responders. Cops, nurses, doctors, lose their careers if they won’t get this shot. Was that monstrous tyranny without any public health benefit to the individual, to be forced to do it anywhere around them? The answer is, yes. It was monstrous tyranny. And now we know this, and no one wants to talk about it on our side either? I’m a little flabbergasted by it.
But the data now reflects you know who is getting covid the least now in this country? The unvaccinated! The data reflects in the most recent months that have been released — April and May, that data — the people who were testing positive for covid the most, were the people getting covid shots. Unvaccinated, smallest percentage, overall, of getting covid. Probably —
BUCK: You keep talking about this, Travis, and they’re going to send us to Gitmo. We’re not allowed to say these things. The New York Times is going to come after you, buddy.
CLAY: I would hazard to guess it’s probably because most of the unvaccinated people have had covid. That would be my theory — and natural immunity, I think ultimately, is going to be proven ton lasting and more powerful than any covid shots.
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BUCK: Biden went on Jimmy Kimmel last night, and I do find this depressing, because I remember growing up. I didn’t watch a lot of the late-night comedians growing up. I did occasionally watch Leno, for whatever reason. I never thought Letterman was funny.
CLAY: Oh, I loved Letterman. We talked about this.
BUCK: I know. You’re right about a lot, but sometimes you go off the rails. So I’m here to keep you honest. I was more of a Leno guy when I was a kid. But I do remember that it was jokes. It was just meant to be funny, and it wasn’t — and you turn on now, and I try not to do this. But you watch Colbert. Kimmel. Any of those late-night comedians. Fallon is not as much. I will say, I’ve noticed that. He’s not venomous partisan on a regular basis if at all.
But the other ones completely play to that script, and Kimmel… if you’re a president and you haven’t done a real interview in 121 days, to go on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. There’s just something… I just think it’s kind of unseemly. I think this is pathetic, that this is the best, the leader of the free world find do is to go on the Jimmy Kimmel Show to be asked questions by an, say, unlettered fellow. Not a particularly astute political observer. You know, as much as I may have celebrated The Man Show back in the day, I didn’t think this would be the guy that one day I would want to be hearing important political questions discussing —
CLAY: The man’s show was amazing. We’ve had Adam Carolla on, and, look, I think your point is well-made right here, 121 days. Whoever you go on with, I would feel the same way if Joe Biden was like, “Hey, I haven’t done an interview in 121 days, and now I’m going to go on The View. Or I’m going to go on…” What’s this show called, like Seacrest and Ripa, or whatever it is? I watched the Kelly thing.
BUCK: I’m militantly anti those shows.
CLAY: But I would feel the same way. Now, if Biden were doing interviews with everybody and he wanted to do late night as well, go for it, right? You’re trying to communicate with as large of an audience as you can. But that’s how you break 121 days? And, by the way, I give credit to Kimmel. That’s a great get for him. Joe Biden had broken 121 days on silence. And suddenly, we get a call. And they’re like, “Hey, Joe would like to come on the Clay and Buck show,” we’d have been like, “Have it.” Now, we would have asked him some tough questions. But we would have had him on, right?
BUCK: Here’s some of what went on last night. Where it wasn’t funny. So we’ll start with that, and Biden is clearly in cognitive decline. Not impressive. Never has been impressive. But, anyway, we know all of that. But here’s some of the stuff that was being discussed.
BUCK: You know, we’re getting talk about how there needs to be action taken about guns. And we sit there and say, “Okay. We go through this every time. “They’re shouting that the NRA is evil. And guns and all this stuff. All right. What do you want to have happen? What do you want to be done here? And then they start talking about background checks. And they’ll say, “We need background checks,” and they leave out that 95% plus of firearms transactions that occur in this country, do have a background check — and that a lot of mass shooters, unfortunately —
— along with other people that go on to commit any kind of criminal act — pass an initial background check. So it’s just not good policy. But I feel like a frustration watching this interview with Biden and Kimmel. Because his audience, it’s a lot of low-information voters, specifically on the issue of firearms and the Second Amendment. And they really just get very comfortable, Clay, with this notion of, “Republicans don’t care about all the debt from gun violence in this country, and aren’t willingly to do something because we’re all owned by the NRA”? I think the NRA declared bankruptcy two years ago.
CLAY: They are. They have almost no money to spend, relative to, for instance, the pharmaceutical companies, right? (laughs) You want to talk about a group that is owned — the pharmaceutical company — and this is one I think the Republicans should have hammered more. Remember when Biden came out and said, “Well, you can’t sue the gun manufacturers when someone uses a gun, to commit crimes. Like, we need to change that.” Well, first of all, you can’t sue a car company, when someone violates the law and intentionally runs over someone either, because that’s not the intent of the usage.
But with all these vaccines, Buck, you can’t sue. All the fallout from the covid — you couldn’t even call them “vaccines, the covid shots — are starting to reveal themselves. Are you seeing all this data, all these people that are saying, man, something has just gone wrong. I got four shots. And the government told me I was employing to be perfectly fine, and that’s not occurring. We gave blanket immunity to the drug companies for these covid shots, and this is me speaking as someone who has been involved in mass tort litigation before as a lawyer.
That’s almost unheard of in medicine in general, and if you think about it, we typically have these drugs that end up having awful side effects and years later, people decide that they’re going to sue. And the companies are held accountable and they have to pull the drugs off the market. We specifically gave all of these drug companies immunity, and Biden is saying, “Hey, we have to go after the gun companies, and their ability to not to get sued when people use guns inappropriately.”
And nobody pushed back and said, “Wait a minute. How about being able to sue all these pharmaceutical companies that are in the pocket of the Democrats?” And, by the way, now trying to get kids under the age of five, that to take a covid shot that they have no business of talking at all. To me… Oftentimes, Republicans communication-wise, Buck, it’s frustrating to me, because Biden gives them a layup, and they trip all over themselves, and somehow knock themselves out trying to take the layup and dunk it.
With a country of 330 million people, I think it’s tough for people to understand, when you actually look at these numbers, what rarity actually means. You’re getting into the realm of — and usually even in all these mass shootings, it’s less than 50 people killed in the entire year, from these mass shootings. So while the emotional impact is enormous, and while the psyche of the country — and obviously for the community and the families involved it’s devastating — in terms of a criminal justice and systematic approach in dealing with these things, it’s incredibly hard.
It’s like you’re trying to deal with lightning strikes, in terms of credibility. It’s very, very rare. And so then what you actually see is, well, they want to deal with the daily, commonplace, millions and millions and millions of lawful, legal firearms transactions, Second Amendment rights, protected activity.
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