Will Cain Covers All the Big Stories with C&B

BUCK: We got our man, Will Cain, with us right now. He is the co-host of Fox — co-hosts are obviously the best — Fox & Friends Weekend with our buddy Pete Hegseth and Rachel Campos-Duffy, Mr. Will Cain of Fox News. Buddy, how are you?

CAIN: What’s up, Buck? What’s up, Clay?

CLAY: What’s shaking, my man?

BUCK: We have to get you all in studio sometimes. The three amigos. We can chat about all the things happening in America and around the world. I’ll start with this one. We have so many but we don’t have too much time. The Democratic Party in panic mode from their own research finding out that their brand is in the dumpster. What’s going on?

CAIN: Well, it turns out calling everybody in the country who disagrees with you a racist is an unpopular message. And after their loss in Virginia, looks like the lesson they took from that: Let’s triple down, let’s triple racism everybody. It’s not a good brand, Buck. It’s not a good brand, Clay.

And it’s not just in the name calling; it’s in the policies. Clearly critical race theory is an incredibly unpopular ideological concept. People don’t want children being taught to be neoracist and embrace segregation as policies. And beyond that, how about just not destroying our pocketbooks with inflation?

So I think from top to bottom here’s the easiest way to distill it, Buck. What’s going well for the Democrat Party? If you can answer that question, you can answer what’s wrong with their brand.

CLAY: Well said, Will. We got to hang out a couple days last week in Fort Lauderdale. It was a lot of fun at the Fox Patriot Awards. We talked a lot, I don’t know that we talked about this, but I like to look for things that are somewhat moving in a positive direction.

In the world of sports, I was really encouraged, Will, by the WTA coming out, standing up to China, doing the opposite of what the NBA said, saying, look, it may cost us a lot of money, but the way that you’re treating this missing tennis star whose alleged sexual assault against a prominent communist party official, it’s everything that the NBA should have done. I was really encouraged by them standing up to China. Were you?

CAIN: I’m encouraged. And I’d like to see more American businesses, Clay, show and exhibit some semblance of a moral backbone. I mean, look, you’re a capitalist. I’m a capitalist. Buck is a capitalist. Everybody listening wants to make as much money as they can for their talent to provide for their family. But money, I’m sorry how cliché it may sound, but money is not the end of our story. We’re moral beings. We’re beings that have to go to sleep at night and sleep soundly. And the WTA found their line in the sand, saying disappearing one of our stars isn’t worth the money.

Here’s a really interesting question, I think, Clay. What do you think if the NBA were in the same position, their choice would be? Let’s say Stephon Marbury, he’s retired now, but you remember Stephon Marbury, after he washed out of the NBA he went to play in China for a lot of years. Remember that? What if Stephon Marbury had disappeared while he was playing in China? What would the NBA’s response have been? By the way, that’s not even a perfect analogy because he wasn’t an active NBA player at the time. We’d have to find an active NBA player who disappears in China and ask ourselves what would the NBA do?

CLAY: I think they’d pretend it didn’t happen.

BUCK: Speaking to Will Cain here. He is of Fox News. You check him out on the weekends hosting Fox & Friends in the morning. Will, also you have a podcast, the Will Cain podcast, which folks should be checking out, too.

Will, we have a few things in common. We hosted together at The Blaze many years ago. And also both of us spent a time at CNN. Earlier in the show, Clay and I were talking about how the media essentially now — when I say “the media” I mean the big, legacy, corporate Democrat media — doesn’t seem ashamed at all about what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse. If anything it pretends they weren’t lying about it or they’re happy that they got away with it as long as they did. How long is that sustainable as a model for them?

CAIN: Until there’s an accountability mechanism, Buck, that is undeniable. You and I were talking earlier this week about, Buck, the progression of CNN. I was a conservative contributor, analyst at CNN from about 2010 to 2014. It was a different CNN than it is today. It was a biased CNN. They weren’t objective. They were still liberal. But they were simply biased.

Buck, I think you were there in, what, ’14 to ’16, roughly, maybe in that timeframe?

BUCK: Yep, I was there when they lost their mind. I was there for the nervous breakdown of CNN.

CAIN: Yes, I would say they were making the transition from biased to propagandists.

BUCK: Maybe it was my fault.

CAIN: And I think what we’re watching now is they’re making the move from propagandists to activists. Playing an active role in the news cycle. And MSNBC best embodies this with the photographer trailing the bus, the jury bus in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.

But this weekend, I said this on Fox & Friends, Buck, I said I’m a little naive, I thought after the trial was over they’d stop lying, but they didn’t stop lying. And it’s shocking to me because I would think, okay, ratings aren’t the accountability mechanism because their ratings are in the tank, and clearly they’re not paying the price for low ratings. But what about shareholders and potential defamation suits? Does not the shareholder of MSNBC or Comcast or Discovery go, this is bad business? This is hurting us?

By the way, the answer to that might be yes, because John Malone who owns Liberty Media which owns Discovery, which owns CNN, seems to be putting the feelers out there that I don’t like what’s happening here at CNN.

CLAY: I think that’s a credit to him. He kind of cracked the whip and said this organization is a shell of what it used to be when, Buck, you were there, when Will was there.

I don’t know if it was a coincidence, but did you guys see the video where they were talking about the WTA and the response in China and they left up their broadcast window in China to show that they were being censored in real time? I thought that was pretty powerful of CNN to point out, hey, we’re speaking truth to power for a change. This is what China’s doing, as we are discussing their disappearing of this Chinese tennis star.

CAIN: Yeah, and that’s coming face to face with truth in China, Clay, and I would love to see — by the way, Malone is a new majority shareholder of CNN. So it’s not as though he’s been there for some time. He’s new. So he can institute change if he wants to. I’d like to see them face the truth to the United States of America not just in China on race relations.

Buck, you had a tweet earlier this week and I thought you put it really well — for much of my career — and Clay, you and I talked about this recently, curious where you are on this — I really love the idea of a lofty debate of ideas, like a battle of ideas. I’m right; you’re left. I’m conservative; you’re liberal. I want to see which idea wins the day. And, Buck, you had a tweet, you said, unfortunately that’s not the age we’re in; we’re in an age where we’re battling over basic truths. And I think you put it really well. That’s where the fight is today. It’s over truth and lies, not right and left.

BUCK: Check out Will Cain’s podcast and also look for him on Fox & Friends where he is co-hosting on weekends. And look for him to pop up on Fox all throughout the week. Will, you’ll be hosting again soon at 7:00 p.m. I know. And people should look for you on Fox & Friends Weekend. Anything else you want to promote for people listening across the country?

CAIN: I’ll be hosting that 7 p.m. Primetime show the week of December 13th, as you mentioned, Fox & Friends. And later this week on the Will Cain podcast, I’ve got an hour-long conversation with Andy Ngo, the most hated journalist on the left in America.

BUCK: He’s such a brave, brave little guy, Andy Ngo. Will Cain, check it out. Will, thanks.

CAIN: Thanks, fellas.